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Obama Order on Interpol Irks Conservatives

Seeded on Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:48 PM EST
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Conservative bloggers and opinion outlets in recent days have expressed mounting alarm about an executive order by President Obama that extended certain privileges and immunities to the International Criminal Police Organization, better known as Interpol.

Bloggers have accused Mr. Obama of ceding American sovereignty, painting a portrait of an international police force operating on United States soil without legal restraints. They have also argued that the order is part of a plot to allow international courts to arrest and prosecute American officials for war crimes.

That theme is making its way from the blogosphere to more mainstream news outlets.

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In a Web post for the conservative National Review last week, the commentator Andrew C. McCarthy declared that an “international police force” could now operate inside the United States “unrestrained by the U.S. Constitution and American law.” He also suggested that the order created in the Justice Department “a repository for stashing government files” beyond the reach of Congress and the public.

And an editorial in The Washington Examiner this week declared that “this new directive from Obama may be the most destructive blow ever struck against American constitutional civil liberties.”

Obama administration and Interpol officials say the fears and accusations are based on ignorance about how Interpol works and about the context and impact of the order, which was issued on Dec. 17 without any statement.

“There is nothing newsworthy here,” said Christina Reynolds, a White House spokeswoman.

Contrary to its portrayal in some movies, Interpol has no police force that conducts investigations and makes arrests. Rather, it serves its 188 member countries by working as a clearinghouse for police departments in different nations to share law enforcement information — like files on wanted criminals and terrorists, stolen cars and passports, and notices that a law-enforcement agency has issued an arrest warrant for a fugitive.

In the United States, a bureau at the Justice Department staffed by American officials transmits information between law enforcement agencies and Interpol. If a foreign country issues an arrest warrant for a person inside the United States, it is up to the United States government, based on its own laws, to decide whether to apprehend the suspect.

“We don’t send officers into the field to arrest people; we don’t have agents that go investigate crimes,” said Rachel Billington, an Interpol spokeswoman. “This is always done by the national police in the member country under their national laws.”

Yeah, I would also like to know how the bloggers who are complaining about this reconsile with what President Reagan did back in 1983...

In 1983, President Ronald Reagan extended some rights — including immunity from lawsuits or prosecution for official acts — to Interpol, which was holding its annual meeting in the United States.

  • 4 votes
Reply#1 - Wed Dec 30, 2009 7:52 PM EST
Beldapriest

This is wrong, regardless of who did what. Forget the party politics, this is the end of sovereignty of our nation. We now employ mercenaries to police disasters, and have abolished the posse comitatus act. What we are heading for is a police state, and all it will take is one more disaster, man made or natural, to put the gears in motion. While the media has us all bickering over details, our rights as American citizens are circling the drain.

There is only one party with two heads.

    Reply#2 - Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:27 PM EST
    Beldapriest

    From Wikipedia: posse comitatus

    "On October 1, 2008, the US Army announced that the 3rd Infantry Division’s 1st Brigade Combat Team (BCT) will be under the day-to-day control of U.S. Army North, the Army service component of Northern Command (NORTHCOM), as an on-call federal response force for natural or man-made emergencies and disasters, including terrorist attacks.

    This marks the first time an active U.S. Army unit will be given a dedicated assignment to NORTHCOM, where it is stated they may be "called upon to help with civil unrest and crowd control or to deal with potentially horrific scenarios such as massive poisoning and chaos in response to a chemical, biological, radiological, nuclear or high-yield explosive (CBRNE) attack." These soldiers will also learn how to use non-lethal weapons designed to "subdue unruly or dangerous individuals" without killing them, and also includes equipment to stand up a hasty road block; spike strips for slowing, stopping or controlling traffic; shields and batons; and beanbag bullets.[7] however, the "non-lethal crowd control package [...] is intended for use on deployments to the war zone, not in the U.S. [...]".[7]

    The US military will have around 20,000 uniformed personnel in this role in the United States by 2011, specifically trained and equipped to assist state and local government, respond to major disasters, terrorist attack, other major public emergencies.[8] This shift in strategy is a result of recommendations by Congress and outside experts.[8] This response capability is not new, but now accompanies a permanent assignment of forces to NORTHCOM.

    This formalizes a role for the use of federal troops within the United States during major public emergencies and disasters, as was the case in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in 2005.[7] This has raised concern about the relationship between Posse Comitatus and the use of the military in domestic disaster support and homeland defense roles.[9] however, federal military forces have a long history of domestic roles, including the occupation of sovereign Southern states during Reconstruction and the confiscation of private firearms in the Katrina aftermath.[10]The Posse Comitatus Act prohibits the use of federal military forces to "execute the laws"; however, there is disagreement over whether this language may apply to troops used in an advisory, support, disaster response, or other homeland defense role, as opposed to conventional law enforcement.[1]

    On December 10, 2008, the California Highway Patrol announced its officers, along with San Bernadino Sheriff's Department deputies and US Marine Corps Military Police, would jointly staff some sobriety and drivers license checkpoints.[11] however, the Marines at the checkpoints are not arresting individuals or enforcing any laws, which would be a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act.[12] A spokesperson said that the Marines were present to observe the checkpoint to learn how to conduct checkpoints on base, to help combat the problem of Marines driving under the influence. The Marines at a recent checkpoint learned techniques to conduct sobriety checkpoints and field sobriety tests.[12]

    On March 10, 2009, active duty Army military police troops from Fort Rucker were deployed to Samson, Alabama in response to a murder spree. Samson police officials confirmed the troops' presence, but it remains unclear who requested the troops and under what authority they were deployed. The governor of Alabama did not request military assistance and President Obama did not authorize their deployment. According to police officials, the soldiers were involved in traffic control and securing the crime scene. An investigation into possible violations of several federal laws including the Posse Comitatus Act, is underway.[13]

    In late June, of 2009, a Freedom of Information Act request was filed by John Greenewald, Jr. of The Black Vault in order to obtain records pertaining to this event. Although it appeared that the investigation into who initiated the event was ongoing, the papers, specifically the officer's duty logs, clearly stated who made the phone call. For the public, it remained a mystery. The name was redacted, and whited out, under the FOIA exemption known as (b)(6), withheld for privacy, along with the names of the twenty-two MPs who hit the streets.[14]"

    Think of the implications of these facts while these "leaders" are signing away our nations sovereignty to foreign interest. We have the National Guard and the Coast Guard to handle emergencies; except that they are now being exploited in an undeclared war started under false pretense. How many ways can this go bad for American citizens?

      Reply#3 - Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:46 PM EST
      jfxgillis

      Super:

      Obama Order on Interpol Irks Conservatives

      Duh. His taste in ice cream "irks conservatives." I'm trying to think of anything by, about or for Obama that doesn't irk conservatives. Unfortunately, I'm coming up blank.

      • 8 votes
      Reply#4 - Wed Dec 30, 2009 8:50 PM EST
      SuperSaiyan

      Yeah, that's true...

      • 5 votes
      #4.1 - Wed Dec 30, 2009 9:00 PM EST
      spiffie

      They're happy he's escalated the war in Afgh...er, no.

      They're happy he ditched the public opt...er, no.

      They're happy he stood before the Nobel Peace Prize committee and justified American military interv...er, no.

      They're happy he's a cautions, conservative (small 'c'), incrementalist? No.

      I guess you're right, jfx. Must be something in the water.

      • 5 votes
      #4.2 - Thu Dec 31, 2009 2:00 AM EST
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      Mr. Bill Davis

      It's odd that conservatives don't bitch when Republican presidents cooperate with Interpol. They must be bitching because Obama is black. Attention you intellectually-challenged cons- Interpol is an international criminal information sharing service ya dam fools.

      • 3 votes
      Reply#5 - Wed Dec 30, 2009 10:43 PM EST
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